1 00:00:11,110 --> 00:00:09,270 on this episode of skeptico alex talks 2 00:00:14,230 --> 00:00:11,120 with hypnotherapist and regression 3 00:00:16,230 --> 00:00:14,240 specialist jean charles chabot can you 4 00:00:17,750 --> 00:00:16,240 give us a quick example that there was a 5 00:00:19,109 --> 00:00:17,760 memory from early in life and they 6 00:00:20,790 --> 00:00:19,119 forgot about it and then once they 7 00:00:21,750 --> 00:00:20,800 remembered it it resolved some phobia 8 00:00:24,310 --> 00:00:21,760 for them 9 00:00:25,429 --> 00:00:24,320 for example a person who had a fierce 10 00:00:27,670 --> 00:00:25,439 spider 11 00:00:29,349 --> 00:00:27,680 and she says like i i don't remember 12 00:00:31,669 --> 00:00:29,359 what could explain this fear of spider 13 00:00:34,150 --> 00:00:31,679 but she couldn't get close to a fear spy 14 00:00:35,030 --> 00:00:34,160 foot to a spider and so okay so i 15 00:00:37,270 --> 00:00:35,040 brought her 16 00:00:39,670 --> 00:00:37,280 outer state of consciousness and then i 17 00:00:42,150 --> 00:00:39,680 asked the unconscious mind to go back 18 00:00:45,110 --> 00:00:42,160 so the first event the person went to 19 00:00:46,549 --> 00:00:45,120 was she was uh young lying on the pool 20 00:00:47,910 --> 00:00:46,559 and at some point like she just looked 21 00:00:50,790 --> 00:00:47,920 because it was a bit itching and then 22 00:00:53,270 --> 00:00:50,800 there was a a spider there and she just 23 00:00:56,229 --> 00:00:53,280 kind of freaked at that point and then 24 00:00:57,590 --> 00:00:56,239 what we usually do is uh we can ask the 25 00:00:59,029 --> 00:00:57,600 the person now i'm gonna ask you a 26 00:01:01,910 --> 00:00:59,039 question i don't want you to think i 27 00:01:04,789 --> 00:01:01,920 want you to feel is this emotion does it 28 00:01:07,750 --> 00:01:04,799 feel uh new like oh my god what is this 29 00:01:10,310 --> 00:01:07,760 or is it familiar familiar like oh well 30 00:01:12,070 --> 00:01:10,320 not again and it was familiar so i once 31 00:01:14,469 --> 00:01:12,080 okay now we're going all the way back to 32 00:01:16,789 --> 00:01:14,479 the source and was what was very 33 00:01:20,710 --> 00:01:16,799 interesting she was about two years old 34 00:01:22,789 --> 00:01:20,720 and uh and she was playing with a a a a 35 00:01:24,230 --> 00:01:22,799 spider there was a spider on her and 36 00:01:25,510 --> 00:01:24,240 then she takes the spider and she puts 37 00:01:27,590 --> 00:01:25,520 it in her mouth 38 00:01:30,710 --> 00:01:27,600 for a kid no problem but the problem was 39 00:01:33,109 --> 00:01:30,720 when the mother saw this and said no 40 00:01:35,030 --> 00:01:33,119 and then boom association spider 41 00:01:37,109 --> 00:01:35,040 dangerous spider bad mommy doesn't like 42 00:01:38,789 --> 00:01:37,119 it i shouldn't like it okay and that's 43 00:01:40,710 --> 00:01:38,799 where it all started were you able to 44 00:01:42,149 --> 00:01:40,720 help her over her phobia then 45 00:01:44,710 --> 00:01:42,159 oh yeah yeah yeah that was really 46 00:01:47,429 --> 00:01:44,720 interesting for me i like to test my 47 00:01:50,550 --> 00:01:47,439 work right so afterwards we went in the 48 00:01:52,630 --> 00:01:50,560 basement looking for spiders 49 00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:52,640 okay and and then so we found some 50 00:01:56,789 --> 00:01:55,200 little spiders and she couldn't have 51 00:01:58,389 --> 00:01:56,799 them in on her fingers she was like oh 52 00:01:59,990 --> 00:01:58,399 my god i never did that before and it 53 00:02:02,550 --> 00:02:00,000 was really amazing so i said okay now 54 00:02:04,789 --> 00:02:02,560 let's take it let's take it a step 55 00:02:06,550 --> 00:02:04,799 higher let's go to the pet shop and i 56 00:02:09,109 --> 00:02:06,560 had in mind like these tarantulas you 57 00:02:11,270 --> 00:02:09,119 know those big spiders 58 00:02:12,790 --> 00:02:11,280 so uh i didn't know they were really 59 00:02:16,710 --> 00:02:12,800 dangerous so i just went to the counter 60 00:02:18,869 --> 00:02:16,720 and said to people um is it possible to 61 00:02:19,990 --> 00:02:18,879 look at the spiders the tarantula to to 62 00:02:21,990 --> 00:02:20,000 play with them 63 00:02:23,670 --> 00:02:22,000 and then the people at the counter was 64 00:02:25,190 --> 00:02:23,680 like i'm not touching this you know i'm 65 00:02:27,430 --> 00:02:25,200 like what 66 00:02:28,550 --> 00:02:27,440 this ids can sting they can really hurt 67 00:02:30,470 --> 00:02:28,560 and they're not going to kill you but it 68 00:02:32,949 --> 00:02:30,480 can really really hurt i was like oh 69 00:02:34,710 --> 00:02:32,959 okay and then the owner just came and 70 00:02:36,630 --> 00:02:34,720 said no they're really nice all you have 71 00:02:38,470 --> 00:02:36,640 to do is just as long as you don't do 72 00:02:40,630 --> 00:02:38,480 anything that irritates them like 73 00:02:42,309 --> 00:02:40,640 blowing on them or be too 74 00:02:44,710 --> 00:02:42,319 like sudden moves and stuff it's all 75 00:02:46,150 --> 00:02:44,720 fine so he just went in the cage took a 76 00:02:47,350 --> 00:02:46,160 a spider 77 00:02:48,869 --> 00:02:47,360 and then uh 78 00:02:50,790 --> 00:02:48,879 and then like he was playing and he said 79 00:02:52,630 --> 00:02:50,800 okay you can just put your hand like do 80 00:02:54,070 --> 00:02:52,640 the bridge and then like the spider 81 00:02:56,150 --> 00:02:54,080 would come and just she just had this 82 00:02:58,630 --> 00:02:56,160 amazing feeling of oh my god this is 83 00:03:01,350 --> 00:02:58,640 amazing you know and and she couldn't do 84 00:03:02,949 --> 00:03:01,360 it uh without any problem so that was uh 85 00:03:16,309 --> 00:03:02,959 really interesting 86 00:03:19,430 --> 00:03:17,910 welcome to skeptico where we explore 87 00:03:22,229 --> 00:03:19,440 controversial science with leading 88 00:03:24,149 --> 00:03:22,239 researchers thinkers and their critics 89 00:03:25,830 --> 00:03:24,159 i'm your host alex sicaris and on this 90 00:03:29,589 --> 00:03:25,840 episode of skeptico 91 00:03:33,030 --> 00:03:29,599 hypnosis in fact a very controversial 92 00:03:35,830 --> 00:03:33,040 area of hypnosis that is past life 93 00:03:39,750 --> 00:03:35,840 and between life regression where people 94 00:03:42,630 --> 00:03:39,760 purport to recall and recover memories 95 00:03:45,430 --> 00:03:42,640 of living in a previous life or the time 96 00:03:47,430 --> 00:03:45,440 they spent between lives quite out there 97 00:03:49,830 --> 00:03:47,440 if you will so before i start with this 98 00:03:52,390 --> 00:03:49,840 interview i thought i'd share a little 99 00:03:55,350 --> 00:03:52,400 bit about the path that i've taken in 100 00:03:58,149 --> 00:03:55,360 trying to get my arms around this topic 101 00:04:01,270 --> 00:03:58,159 let's start with reincarnation 102 00:04:04,149 --> 00:04:01,280 obviously billions of people believe 103 00:04:06,869 --> 00:04:04,159 reincarnation is true moreover 104 00:04:09,350 --> 00:04:06,879 thousands of people have reported 105 00:04:11,910 --> 00:04:09,360 personal experiences or memories 106 00:04:14,149 --> 00:04:11,920 suggesting that it's true is there any 107 00:04:15,910 --> 00:04:14,159 scientific evidence for this now since i 108 00:04:17,590 --> 00:04:15,920 know the skeptical audience i know that 109 00:04:20,710 --> 00:04:17,600 a lot of you know that there's actually 110 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:20,720 quite a bit of very good evidence ian 111 00:04:25,270 --> 00:04:23,440 stevenson before he passed away really 112 00:04:27,350 --> 00:04:25,280 pioneered this work at university of 113 00:04:29,430 --> 00:04:27,360 virginia he's been lauded for the 114 00:04:31,590 --> 00:04:29,440 methodology that he used and he produced 115 00:04:33,350 --> 00:04:31,600 some very very significant results that 116 00:04:35,350 --> 00:04:33,360 have really convinced a lot of people 117 00:04:37,670 --> 00:04:35,360 you've heard some on this show that were 118 00:04:39,670 --> 00:04:37,680 skeptically initially but said wow this 119 00:04:42,150 --> 00:04:39,680 is this is good work it's hard to look 120 00:04:44,310 --> 00:04:42,160 past this data that works been continued 121 00:04:46,710 --> 00:04:44,320 by dr jim tucker and others at the 122 00:04:48,950 --> 00:04:46,720 university of virginia and others in 123 00:04:50,950 --> 00:04:48,960 other institutions so there's reason to 124 00:04:53,510 --> 00:04:50,960 suspect that all these personal 125 00:04:56,070 --> 00:04:53,520 experiences might have some legitimacy 126 00:04:58,390 --> 00:04:56,080 behind them scientific legitimacy now 127 00:05:00,390 --> 00:04:58,400 the skeptical response to all this and 128 00:05:03,110 --> 00:05:00,400 when i say skeptical i mean mainstream 129 00:05:05,350 --> 00:05:03,120 science their response has been to 130 00:05:07,510 --> 00:05:05,360 basically ignore the data and insist 131 00:05:10,550 --> 00:05:07,520 that it can't be true because you're a 132 00:05:13,350 --> 00:05:10,560 biological robot really folks that is 133 00:05:15,189 --> 00:05:13,360 the sum total of the response just 134 00:05:19,590 --> 00:05:15,199 ignore the data 135 00:05:21,749 --> 00:05:19,600 kind of position and accept that there's 136 00:05:24,390 --> 00:05:21,759 some solid evidence to at least 137 00:05:27,430 --> 00:05:24,400 investigate this then we next have to 138 00:05:29,909 --> 00:05:27,440 turn to the topic of hypnosis and ask 139 00:05:33,189 --> 00:05:29,919 whether hypnosis can play a role in 140 00:05:34,310 --> 00:05:33,199 recovering these memories now that turns 141 00:05:37,110 --> 00:05:34,320 out to be 142 00:05:39,990 --> 00:05:37,120 a very interesting question in fact the 143 00:05:42,310 --> 00:05:40,000 whole area of hypnosis is another one of 144 00:05:44,950 --> 00:05:42,320 these topics that you think you know 145 00:05:47,510 --> 00:05:44,960 about but you don't realize until you 146 00:05:50,710 --> 00:05:47,520 dig into it that there's this whole 147 00:05:52,150 --> 00:05:50,720 hidden culture war debate associated 148 00:05:55,029 --> 00:05:52,160 with it and i think it's really 149 00:05:57,029 --> 00:05:55,039 interesting to kind of understand the 150 00:05:58,469 --> 00:05:57,039 skeptical position because i think it 151 00:06:00,629 --> 00:05:58,479 ties back to so many things i've been 152 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:00,639 talking about the last few shows and i 153 00:06:05,909 --> 00:06:03,039 know some of you get tired of me ranting 154 00:06:07,670 --> 00:06:05,919 and going on and on about biological 155 00:06:09,430 --> 00:06:07,680 robots and mind equal brain and how 156 00:06:11,430 --> 00:06:09,440 that's all over the place and how we 157 00:06:14,790 --> 00:06:11,440 have to deal with that but i have to 158 00:06:16,790 --> 00:06:14,800 insist that it just keeps popping up 159 00:06:18,469 --> 00:06:16,800 everywhere whether you want to or not 160 00:06:20,710 --> 00:06:18,479 and it certainly does in the case of 161 00:06:23,110 --> 00:06:20,720 hypnosis let me give you an example take 162 00:06:25,909 --> 00:06:23,120 this quote from scott lillianfield 163 00:06:27,309 --> 00:06:25,919 professor of psychology emory university 164 00:06:30,309 --> 00:06:27,319 fellow at the 165 00:06:32,309 --> 00:06:30,319 ultraskeptical james randy cultish 166 00:06:35,189 --> 00:06:32,319 atheist organization 167 00:06:37,350 --> 00:06:35,199 center for inquiry he also writes for 168 00:06:39,990 --> 00:06:37,360 scientific american where he's one of 169 00:06:42,790 --> 00:06:40,000 their board of advisors if that rings a 170 00:06:45,189 --> 00:06:42,800 bell with the secret scientific board of 171 00:06:47,590 --> 00:06:45,199 advisors that censored rupert sheldrick 172 00:06:51,029 --> 00:06:47,600 and graham hancock you kind of get a 173 00:06:53,189 --> 00:06:51,039 feel for what's going on here in 2009 he 174 00:06:54,230 --> 00:06:53,199 wrote an article in scientific american 175 00:06:57,029 --> 00:06:54,240 titled 176 00:06:59,990 --> 00:06:57,039 is hypnosis a distinct form of 177 00:07:02,550 --> 00:07:00,000 consciousness question mark in it he 178 00:07:04,150 --> 00:07:02,560 writes this issue that is whether 179 00:07:07,110 --> 00:07:04,160 hypnosis is a distinct form of 180 00:07:11,110 --> 00:07:07,120 consciousness is of more than academic 181 00:07:13,350 --> 00:07:11,120 importance if hypnosis differs in kind 182 00:07:16,150 --> 00:07:13,360 rather than in degree from ordinary 183 00:07:19,029 --> 00:07:16,160 consciousness it could imply that 184 00:07:21,510 --> 00:07:19,039 hypnotized people can take actions that 185 00:07:24,710 --> 00:07:21,520 are impossible to perform in the waking 186 00:07:29,029 --> 00:07:24,720 state it could also lend credibility to 187 00:07:31,510 --> 00:07:29,039 claims that hypnosis is a unique means 188 00:07:34,309 --> 00:07:31,520 of reducing pain or affecting dramatic 189 00:07:36,230 --> 00:07:34,319 psychological and medical cures 190 00:07:39,670 --> 00:07:36,240 did you catch that 191 00:07:42,230 --> 00:07:39,680 it's very subtle i mean who cares if 192 00:07:45,110 --> 00:07:42,240 hypnosis is a distinct form of 193 00:07:46,230 --> 00:07:45,120 consciousness and who cares if it's a 194 00:07:48,230 --> 00:07:46,240 unique 195 00:07:50,710 --> 00:07:48,240 means of reducing pain right we just 196 00:07:52,150 --> 00:07:50,720 care if it reduces pain 197 00:07:55,350 --> 00:07:52,160 wrong 198 00:07:56,469 --> 00:07:55,360 what we care about is that you keep 199 00:07:59,589 --> 00:07:56,479 thinking 200 00:08:02,550 --> 00:07:59,599 you're a biological robot what we care 201 00:08:05,909 --> 00:08:02,560 about is that there's no cracks 202 00:08:08,710 --> 00:08:05,919 in the mind equal brain mantra and 203 00:08:10,070 --> 00:08:08,720 hypnosis if it's a distinct form of 204 00:08:13,350 --> 00:08:10,080 consciousness 205 00:08:16,070 --> 00:08:13,360 create some interesting cracks in that 206 00:08:18,469 --> 00:08:16,080 mind equal brain mantra 207 00:08:21,589 --> 00:08:18,479 and i think the best skeptical guest to 208 00:08:24,950 --> 00:08:21,599 point this out is university of montreal 209 00:08:26,950 --> 00:08:24,960 professor dr mario beauregard who wrote 210 00:08:29,029 --> 00:08:26,960 a very interesting book called brain 211 00:08:30,950 --> 00:08:29,039 wars and we had him on and and he 212 00:08:33,269 --> 00:08:30,960 touched on this topic and if you dive 213 00:08:36,310 --> 00:08:33,279 into his book brain wars you'll see 214 00:08:39,350 --> 00:08:36,320 study after study that he cites that 215 00:08:41,909 --> 00:08:39,360 directly contradicts this idea that 216 00:08:44,550 --> 00:08:41,919 there's nothing special about hypnosis 217 00:08:46,870 --> 00:08:44,560 that it's not unique in any way it's not 218 00:08:48,310 --> 00:08:46,880 really creating a different mental state 219 00:08:50,470 --> 00:08:48,320 a different mental state of 220 00:08:53,590 --> 00:08:50,480 consciousness and the studies that he 221 00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:53,600 cites are overwhelmingly suggestive for 222 00:08:58,230 --> 00:08:55,920 example they did hypnotic regressions 223 00:09:00,389 --> 00:08:58,240 and they told people to increase bone 224 00:09:02,550 --> 00:09:00,399 growth in a particular area and then 225 00:09:04,470 --> 00:09:02,560 they go and they x-ray them after and 226 00:09:06,310 --> 00:09:04,480 they have physicians who don't know 227 00:09:08,470 --> 00:09:06,320 which is the control group and which is 228 00:09:11,110 --> 00:09:08,480 not and they analyze the x-rays and they 229 00:09:12,310 --> 00:09:11,120 say yes this group has more bone growth 230 00:09:14,710 --> 00:09:12,320 and that's the group that was under 231 00:09:17,110 --> 00:09:14,720 hypnotic suggestion there's no way we 232 00:09:19,269 --> 00:09:17,120 know that people can do that consciously 233 00:09:21,509 --> 00:09:19,279 yet that shows up again and again of 234 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:21,519 course though you know this is true 235 00:09:26,949 --> 00:09:24,240 anyway because you've seen it on stage 236 00:09:29,269 --> 00:09:26,959 where a hypnotist can hypnotize somebody 237 00:09:31,670 --> 00:09:29,279 and cause their finger to blister i mean 238 00:09:33,670 --> 00:09:31,680 this is really the same thing so again 239 00:09:35,829 --> 00:09:33,680 the pattern is repeated where the 240 00:09:38,310 --> 00:09:35,839 skeptical argument tells you you know 241 00:09:40,870 --> 00:09:38,320 the old who are you gonna believe me or 242 00:09:42,710 --> 00:09:40,880 your lying eyes okay so you've seen this 243 00:09:44,790 --> 00:09:42,720 you know this is true and yet the 244 00:09:47,269 --> 00:09:44,800 skeptical argument is telling you no no 245 00:09:49,350 --> 00:09:47,279 no it can't be true don't trust your 246 00:09:52,550 --> 00:09:49,360 experience don't trust what other people 247 00:09:54,949 --> 00:09:52,560 have experienced believe me believe me 248 00:09:57,829 --> 00:09:54,959 beauregard goes on incites many many 249 00:10:00,790 --> 00:09:57,839 other studies highly suggestive of this 250 00:10:03,670 --> 00:10:00,800 fact that the state of hypnosis is truly 251 00:10:05,509 --> 00:10:03,680 an altered state of consciousness and 252 00:10:07,910 --> 00:10:05,519 can best be described in what we would 253 00:10:10,710 --> 00:10:07,920 call a trance state again this is 254 00:10:13,190 --> 00:10:10,720 something that skeptics resist with all 255 00:10:15,670 --> 00:10:13,200 effort you'll see our old friend dr 256 00:10:17,190 --> 00:10:15,680 steve novella neurologist from yale and 257 00:10:19,750 --> 00:10:17,200 host of the skeptic's guide to the 258 00:10:22,790 --> 00:10:19,760 universe in his blog goes out of his way 259 00:10:25,910 --> 00:10:22,800 to say not a trance state ordinary 260 00:10:28,949 --> 00:10:25,920 mental state again they have to support 261 00:10:31,030 --> 00:10:28,959 this idea that consciousness isn't real 262 00:10:33,509 --> 00:10:31,040 and when we come across things that seem 263 00:10:36,150 --> 00:10:33,519 like an altered state of consciousness 264 00:10:38,630 --> 00:10:36,160 like hypnosis there's this real need to 265 00:10:40,949 --> 00:10:38,640 push it down in some way and give the 266 00:10:43,829 --> 00:10:40,959 promise that we'll be able to track it 267 00:10:46,630 --> 00:10:43,839 all back to brain function just wait and 268 00:10:49,030 --> 00:10:46,640 it'll all work out again this might seem 269 00:10:51,030 --> 00:10:49,040 like kind of an obscure argument but 270 00:10:54,150 --> 00:10:51,040 when you sort through what's really 271 00:10:58,069 --> 00:10:54,160 going on you see that this is at the 272 00:11:00,069 --> 00:10:58,079 center of this debate over hypnosis 273 00:11:02,790 --> 00:11:00,079 but of course that's not what we're 274 00:11:05,670 --> 00:11:02,800 really interested here in this episode 275 00:11:09,030 --> 00:11:05,680 of skeptico we're asking the question 276 00:11:11,670 --> 00:11:09,040 can hypnosis be effective in recovering 277 00:11:14,470 --> 00:11:11,680 memory now really the question that we 278 00:11:16,550 --> 00:11:14,480 asked before is is hypnosis an altered 279 00:11:18,870 --> 00:11:16,560 state of consciousness is highly 280 00:11:21,269 --> 00:11:18,880 relevant to this other question but 281 00:11:24,069 --> 00:11:21,279 let's take it separately that is 282 00:11:26,949 --> 00:11:24,079 can hypnosis be effective in recovering 283 00:11:30,150 --> 00:11:26,959 memory now you have to be careful how 284 00:11:32,949 --> 00:11:30,160 you ask and who you ask this question if 285 00:11:36,389 --> 00:11:32,959 you ask it to the center for inquiry 286 00:11:39,030 --> 00:11:36,399 scientific american skeptical atheist 287 00:11:42,230 --> 00:11:39,040 crowd you're going to be led down this 288 00:11:44,949 --> 00:11:42,240 road and told a lot about false memory 289 00:11:47,190 --> 00:11:44,959 how memories are implanted in people who 290 00:11:50,069 --> 00:11:47,200 are highly suggestible and therefore we 291 00:11:52,630 --> 00:11:50,079 gotta throw all this hypnosis and memory 292 00:11:55,430 --> 00:11:52,640 stuff out the window and some of what 293 00:11:59,110 --> 00:11:55,440 they're telling you is definitely true 294 00:12:02,230 --> 00:11:59,120 false memory syndrome implanted memories 295 00:12:05,030 --> 00:12:02,240 are real it really does happen 296 00:12:07,829 --> 00:12:05,040 but what they aren't going to tell you 297 00:12:10,389 --> 00:12:07,839 is there's many many studies that 298 00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:10,399 suggest people have this remarkable 299 00:12:15,590 --> 00:12:13,200 ability to recover memories under 300 00:12:17,750 --> 00:12:15,600 hypnosis that they couldn't otherwise 301 00:12:19,430 --> 00:12:17,760 remember some of the research i did 302 00:12:21,430 --> 00:12:19,440 before this show getting into this i ran 303 00:12:23,829 --> 00:12:21,440 across a couple of researchers at the 304 00:12:25,990 --> 00:12:23,839 university of liverpool in england and 305 00:12:27,670 --> 00:12:26,000 they're just one among a number of 306 00:12:29,910 --> 00:12:27,680 researchers who've done a lot of good 307 00:12:32,030 --> 00:12:29,920 solid research on this and found 308 00:12:34,870 --> 00:12:32,040 different ways that forensic 309 00:12:38,230 --> 00:12:34,880 psychologists can use hypnosis 310 00:12:40,550 --> 00:12:38,240 effectively to help witnesses recover 311 00:12:42,629 --> 00:12:40,560 evidence and there's all sorts of these 312 00:12:44,790 --> 00:12:42,639 cases people that they can't remember 313 00:12:47,030 --> 00:12:44,800 faces are able to people that can't 314 00:12:48,790 --> 00:12:47,040 remember license plates are able to the 315 00:12:51,509 --> 00:12:48,800 police are then able to follow up with 316 00:12:54,389 --> 00:12:51,519 that license plate find out information 317 00:12:56,629 --> 00:12:54,399 get convictions all of this has been not 318 00:12:58,870 --> 00:12:56,639 only proven in cases but it's been 319 00:13:00,389 --> 00:12:58,880 proven clinically in labs within then 320 00:13:02,069 --> 00:13:00,399 test people with different kind of 321 00:13:04,470 --> 00:13:02,079 induction techniques different 322 00:13:06,790 --> 00:13:04,480 populations there's there's just tons of 323 00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:06,800 research out there it's very easy to 324 00:13:10,550 --> 00:13:08,880 find go to google scholar and start 325 00:13:12,870 --> 00:13:10,560 searching for it and you'll find many 326 00:13:15,030 --> 00:13:12,880 many studies and at the end of the day 327 00:13:18,470 --> 00:13:15,040 the only conclusion that you can come to 328 00:13:22,310 --> 00:13:18,480 is that while false memory is true it's 329 00:13:25,509 --> 00:13:22,320 also a reality that the hypnotic state 330 00:13:26,949 --> 00:13:25,519 is very effective for recovering lost 331 00:13:28,870 --> 00:13:26,959 memories 332 00:13:31,190 --> 00:13:28,880 of course the other thing that our 333 00:13:33,670 --> 00:13:31,200 skeptical friends don't want to talk 334 00:13:36,629 --> 00:13:33,680 about is that we don't really know how 335 00:13:39,030 --> 00:13:36,639 memory works anyway and as we've talked 336 00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:39,040 about on this show we have some very 337 00:13:44,870 --> 00:13:41,760 solid evidence that suggests that this 338 00:13:46,710 --> 00:13:44,880 idea that all memory is stored in the 339 00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:46,720 cells of your brain 340 00:13:51,990 --> 00:13:49,920 isn't real we have that from obviously 341 00:13:55,190 --> 00:13:52,000 from the near-death experience research 342 00:13:58,310 --> 00:13:55,200 where people die and they have memories 343 00:14:00,470 --> 00:13:58,320 during a period when they had no brain 344 00:14:03,189 --> 00:14:00,480 that's overwhelming evidence 345 00:14:06,069 --> 00:14:03,199 so there's a lot of questions 346 00:14:06,870 --> 00:14:06,079 the answers are messy they don't tightly 347 00:14:09,110 --> 00:14:06,880 fit 348 00:14:11,590 --> 00:14:09,120 are there false memories there appear to 349 00:14:13,430 --> 00:14:11,600 be false memories is there a reality to 350 00:14:16,069 --> 00:14:13,440 recovered memories there seems to be a 351 00:14:18,629 --> 00:14:16,079 reality to recovered memories is there 352 00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:18,639 an ability that we have to create 353 00:14:22,150 --> 00:14:20,800 illusions and fantasies 354 00:14:23,910 --> 00:14:22,160 absolutely 355 00:14:26,310 --> 00:14:23,920 is it possible that some of the 356 00:14:28,829 --> 00:14:26,320 illusions and fantasies that people are 357 00:14:32,550 --> 00:14:28,839 creating have some kind of 358 00:14:35,350 --> 00:14:32,560 allegorical or metaphorical meaning that 359 00:14:37,829 --> 00:14:35,360 is true on another level i don't know 360 00:14:40,470 --> 00:14:37,839 that's far beyond the realm of what 361 00:14:42,790 --> 00:14:40,480 we're trying to nail down here but i 362 00:14:45,269 --> 00:14:42,800 think all those questions must be then 363 00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:45,279 thrown on the table if we dig a little 364 00:14:49,990 --> 00:14:48,480 bit deeper past this skeptical silliness 365 00:14:52,949 --> 00:14:50,000 so since we're trying to figure out 366 00:14:55,829 --> 00:14:52,959 what's really going on we might want to 367 00:14:58,470 --> 00:14:55,839 give a listen to people who are out 368 00:15:01,350 --> 00:14:58,480 there at the edge doing this work 369 00:15:03,350 --> 00:15:01,360 like today's guest jean charles chabot 370 00:15:05,590 --> 00:15:03,360 fascinating guy who i really enjoyed 371 00:15:07,670 --> 00:15:05,600 talking with here's my interview with 372 00:15:10,150 --> 00:15:07,680 him 373 00:15:11,910 --> 00:15:10,160 today we welcome jean charles chabot to 374 00:15:14,389 --> 00:15:11,920 skeptico sean charles is a 375 00:15:17,829 --> 00:15:14,399 hypnotherapist based in montreal who 376 00:15:20,069 --> 00:15:17,839 specializes in regression therapy i came 377 00:15:23,030 --> 00:15:20,079 across his work through several of his 378 00:15:26,230 --> 00:15:23,040 excellent youtube videos that actually 379 00:15:27,829 --> 00:15:26,240 show him doing past life and between 380 00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:27,839 life regressions 381 00:15:31,590 --> 00:15:30,240 in a clinical setting in his office in 382 00:15:34,069 --> 00:15:31,600 montreal 383 00:15:36,150 --> 00:15:34,079 fascinating stuff john charles welcome 384 00:15:36,949 --> 00:15:36,160 to skeptico thanks so much for joining 385 00:15:38,470 --> 00:15:36,959 me 386 00:15:40,790 --> 00:15:38,480 hi alex 387 00:15:41,590 --> 00:15:40,800 tell folks a little bit about what you 388 00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:41,600 do 389 00:15:46,870 --> 00:15:44,880 what your practice is all about and uh 390 00:15:48,150 --> 00:15:46,880 some of this work you do in regression 391 00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:48,160 therapy 392 00:15:52,389 --> 00:15:50,160 okay so basically i'm specialized in 393 00:15:54,870 --> 00:15:52,399 what we call a spiritual hypnosis which 394 00:15:56,710 --> 00:15:54,880 includes uh past life regression life 395 00:15:59,110 --> 00:15:56,720 between life regression we're gonna talk 396 00:16:01,189 --> 00:15:59,120 a bit about that and also specialize in 397 00:16:03,509 --> 00:16:01,199 what we call street hypnosis or 398 00:16:05,269 --> 00:16:03,519 impromptu hypnosis which i prefer to 399 00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:05,279 call because treat hypnosis sometimes 400 00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:08,399 people have this uh negative idea about 401 00:16:11,910 --> 00:16:09,120 it 402 00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:11,920 and and also do what we call therapeutic 403 00:16:17,269 --> 00:16:14,560 hypnosis which is doesn't can include 404 00:16:19,749 --> 00:16:17,279 regression but also just therapeutic 405 00:16:22,790 --> 00:16:19,759 techniques uh to help maybe with phobias 406 00:16:23,829 --> 00:16:22,800 or stop smoking and stuff like that 407 00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:23,839 great so 408 00:16:28,470 --> 00:16:26,480 i think in in reviewing your website and 409 00:16:31,269 --> 00:16:28,480 i don't have a lot of experience in 410 00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:31,279 hypnosis but i was quite impressed by 411 00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:34,079 your credentials by your training tell 412 00:16:37,430 --> 00:16:36,000 us a little bit about your background 413 00:16:40,230 --> 00:16:37,440 and specifically 414 00:16:42,230 --> 00:16:40,240 who you've trained with to develop your 415 00:16:44,710 --> 00:16:42,240 practices my background i have a 416 00:16:46,870 --> 00:16:44,720 master's in education so uh 417 00:16:49,189 --> 00:16:46,880 so that's that's what i studied i also 418 00:16:51,269 --> 00:16:49,199 have a bachelor's in career counseling 419 00:16:53,910 --> 00:16:51,279 and after my master's in education i 420 00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:53,920 went to uh to china actually for five 421 00:16:56,310 --> 00:16:55,440 years doing what we call corporate 422 00:17:02,069 --> 00:16:56,320 training 423 00:17:03,749 --> 00:17:02,079 confidence building 424 00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:03,759 presentation skills meeting skills 425 00:17:08,309 --> 00:17:05,520 emotional intelligence skills stuff like 426 00:17:10,789 --> 00:17:08,319 that and i've always been interested in 427 00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:10,799 hypnosis for a long long time actually 428 00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:13,360 and uh i started to read book and even 429 00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:16,160 integrate group hypnosis sessions in my 430 00:17:19,350 --> 00:17:17,839 training which was really cool but at 431 00:17:21,590 --> 00:17:19,360 some point i was like 432 00:17:24,150 --> 00:17:21,600 i'd like to um 433 00:17:27,429 --> 00:17:24,160 learn more about this uh i know to be 434 00:17:29,270 --> 00:17:27,439 trained in this so in 2008 i went to uh 435 00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:29,280 when i was still in china i went to the 436 00:17:34,070 --> 00:17:31,760 united states to study first with cal 437 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:34,080 banyan the very uh quite famous 438 00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:35,760 hypnotist in the in the states in 439 00:17:40,230 --> 00:17:37,600 california 440 00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:40,240 and that's where it kind of all started 441 00:17:43,669 --> 00:17:42,240 because i which was really what was 442 00:17:45,909 --> 00:17:43,679 really interesting in this training is 443 00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:45,919 that cal was you know like the normal 444 00:17:50,549 --> 00:17:48,080 clinical hypnotist but it also has the 445 00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:50,559 spiritual part where it created this uh 446 00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:54,160 technique called the informing soul 447 00:17:57,350 --> 00:17:55,039 which 448 00:17:59,190 --> 00:17:57,360 is about basically bringing the person 449 00:18:00,549 --> 00:17:59,200 before their incarnation to go and get 450 00:18:01,590 --> 00:18:00,559 knowledge so i was like oh that's 451 00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:01,600 interesting 452 00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:02,480 and 453 00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:05,280 i was in china for five years so at some 454 00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:07,039 time like every year and a half or so i 455 00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:09,360 would go down back to montreal see my 456 00:18:14,789 --> 00:18:11,200 parents and see my family 457 00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:14,799 and one day i was a went in the basement 458 00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:17,120 to i forgot what it was to look for for 459 00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:19,120 something and it was a very high shelf 460 00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:21,840 and i was like trying to to grab 461 00:18:25,430 --> 00:18:23,440 something i don't remember what it was 462 00:18:27,350 --> 00:18:25,440 but there was a book on the left that 463 00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:27,360 fell down i was like well that's strange 464 00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:29,520 so i picked up the book and it was a 465 00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:31,200 michael newton's book about journey of 466 00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:33,200 souls which is about like he's a bit 467 00:18:36,710 --> 00:18:35,120 like the pioneer in this work and i just 468 00:18:39,990 --> 00:18:36,720 started reading this and just inside of 469 00:18:42,310 --> 00:18:40,000 me was like a click or something 470 00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:42,320 i just want to do this i need to do this 471 00:18:46,549 --> 00:18:44,320 that's my what we call could call the 472 00:18:48,549 --> 00:18:46,559 calling my uh calling 473 00:18:50,230 --> 00:18:48,559 and uh at that point i just started to 474 00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:50,240 read a lot of books and start to get 475 00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:52,400 trained with all the 476 00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:54,559 best guys in the in this field like 477 00:18:59,909 --> 00:18:56,880 whether it's a the newton institute 478 00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:59,919 dolores cannon brian weiss and i just 479 00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:01,120 basically 480 00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:02,160 went to 481 00:19:07,110 --> 00:19:05,600 train with all these big people and 482 00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:07,120 analyze what's their technique what are 483 00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:09,360 the principles behind their techniques 484 00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:12,240 to create my own approach 485 00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:14,799 to uh to pass life regression and also 486 00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:16,799 in between life regression 487 00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:18,720 dating work is obviously very 488 00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:22,320 controversial to a lot of people and as 489 00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:23,760 i mentioned as we're chatting a little 490 00:19:27,350 --> 00:19:26,080 bit beforehand what i thought we might 491 00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:27,360 do to 492 00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:30,480 kind of lead people up into 493 00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,400 an awareness or or 494 00:19:36,150 --> 00:19:34,400 being a little bit more receptive to the 495 00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:36,160 possibility 496 00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:37,760 that there is some reality to what 497 00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:38,960 you're talking about because it really 498 00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:40,240 is going to be mind-blowing to a lot of 499 00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:42,320 people yeah i thought it might be 500 00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:45,200 helpful to go over some of the basics of 501 00:19:49,909 --> 00:19:48,160 hypnosis because while on your youtube 502 00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:49,919 channel i saw some other presentations 503 00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:52,320 that you've done you've really done some 504 00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:54,320 amazing work i mean 505 00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:56,240 you've studied with all these different 506 00:20:01,909 --> 00:19:59,039 hypnotherapists you've also set up an 507 00:20:04,470 --> 00:20:01,919 institute is it the institute for 508 00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:04,480 spiritual hypnosis is that right yeah 509 00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:06,240 it's the international institute for 510 00:20:11,430 --> 00:20:09,120 spiritual hypnosis yeah where where the 511 00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:11,440 goal is to actually do research because 512 00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:13,520 what people uh 513 00:20:18,150 --> 00:20:15,120 may be interested to know is that i'm 514 00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,160 also very rational and scientific person 515 00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,000 in uh 516 00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:22,320 as a personality and i also uh 517 00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:23,840 collaborate with the psychoneuro 518 00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:28,159 institute in montreal where uh we also 519 00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,320 start to do research using brain waves 520 00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:32,559 to see what happens when people are in 521 00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:34,159 hypnosis when they have a spiritual 522 00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:36,080 experience so that's why like the 523 00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:38,720 institute was created to do research and 524 00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:40,720 also to do training to train people 525 00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:43,280 because uh especially in the french well 526 00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:45,840 there's not a lot of people doing 527 00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:47,360 past life regression or life between 528 00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,520 life regression and and who have the 529 00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:51,600 skills to do it well because it's as 530 00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:53,120 we're probably going to talk in a in a 531 00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:55,200 few moments there's uh some really 532 00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:57,120 important skills required to do this in 533 00:21:27,669 --> 00:20:57,840 a 534 00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:27,679 the 535 00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,320 underpinnings of hypnosis because a lot 536 00:21:37,350 --> 00:21:34,320 of people don't realize that there are 537 00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:37,360 hundreds and hundreds just masses of 538 00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:39,520 clinical experimental work that's been 539 00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:41,919 done in all with all kinds of hypnosis 540 00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:44,400 in all kinds of different medical 541 00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:47,200 situations so anyone who goes and 542 00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:50,640 googles hypnosis on google scholar where 543 00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:52,720 there's these scholarly papers will will 544 00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,799 just be pointed to that but maybe you 545 00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:56,320 want to just kind of start with the very 546 00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,679 basics with does hypnosis really work 547 00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,840 does it is it used clinically is it used 548 00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,600 in hospitals is it used in medical 549 00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:05,200 situations 550 00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:07,840 yeah yeah for sure i often find it 551 00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:09,520 really interesting when people when i 552 00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,679 meet people and then and then sometimes 553 00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:13,280 people i don't know if i believe in it 554 00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,200 like today 555 00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,679 if someone is slightly curious and as 556 00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:19,520 you mentioned goes on the web there's 557 00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:22,799 tons of exp of clinical research that's 558 00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:25,600 been done and what i think is the most 559 00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,600 uh impressive and convincing is 560 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,280 regarding to pain control that's 561 00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:31,360 probably the branch of hypnosis that has 562 00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,559 the most research and is most convincing 563 00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,240 in the way that you cannot fake not 564 00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:38,400 having pain okay it's not something that 565 00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,960 you can pretend that you have pain if 566 00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:42,799 you have an operation there's even some 567 00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:45,360 clips that i've seen like uh like the 568 00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:48,320 operation on the the brain or the head 569 00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:50,400 like opening up and the person talking 570 00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,200 to the interviewer you know their stuff 571 00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:55,679 with pain control that uh either to 572 00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,760 reduce pain or to take away pain 573 00:23:02,470 --> 00:22:59,760 completely depending on the receptivity 574 00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:02,480 of the subject but that's the area that 575 00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:05,520 is most convincing and the re and 576 00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:06,880 what proves that it really works and 577 00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:08,960 that there are specific courses for 578 00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:12,720 dentists for doctors anesthesiologists 579 00:23:18,789 --> 00:23:15,360 to use these hypnosis principles when at 580 00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:18,799 work so that's a prove that it really is 581 00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:21,440 uh not a belief it's it's a state and 582 00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,120 it's it really works basically 583 00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,200 and then bringing that into the 584 00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:28,799 regression field is something we just 585 00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,039 touched on a minute ago and one one 586 00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:33,280 thing i've encountered is a lot of times 587 00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:34,559 people are 588 00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:37,520 aware or educated to a certain extent to 589 00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:39,919 the reality of hypnosis being used 590 00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:41,840 medically or they have a friend who's 591 00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:45,039 used it for weight loss or or cessation 592 00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,640 of smoking or something like that they 593 00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,080 know what's out there they know there's 594 00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:50,240 some clinical proof to it but then when 595 00:23:53,590 --> 00:23:51,760 you start talking about regression 596 00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:53,600 they're like oh but that's you know 597 00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:56,240 that's way way out there and what i 598 00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,679 thought was interesting in one of the 599 00:24:02,470 --> 00:23:59,919 presentations i saw you give 600 00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:02,480 is you connected the fact that 601 00:24:08,070 --> 00:24:06,159 regression is often a common technique 602 00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,080 used in 603 00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,200 uh other kinds of uh hypnotherapy can 604 00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:13,039 you maybe talk a little bit about that 605 00:24:20,070 --> 00:24:16,840 and and what role regression plays in 606 00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,080 hypnotherapy yes for sure um basically 607 00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,480 because regression is one technique 608 00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:24,320 among many others that can be used when 609 00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:27,760 we do pure therapeutic hypnosis okay and 610 00:24:33,909 --> 00:24:30,720 what regression is basically is 611 00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,919 going back to a and from usually an 612 00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:35,760 event or something that happens usually 613 00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,840 between zero and seven years old but 614 00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,440 doesn't have to be but 615 00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,360 usually in that in that time to go back 616 00:24:46,149 --> 00:24:43,200 to the source what we call in hypnosis 617 00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,159 the isc which is the initial synthetic 618 00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:48,720 sensitizing event where it all started 619 00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:50,000 basically 620 00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:52,240 and um so there's many types there are 621 00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,919 many ways to do regression as well 622 00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:55,520 people have to understand you can 623 00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,240 regress on a feeling you can regress on 624 00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,559 a thought on a belief going back to an 625 00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:03,039 important moment there's many ways of 626 00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:06,720 regressing of giving the unconscious a 627 00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:08,000 uh how would you say like an 628 00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,760 instructions to go back to a certain 629 00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:11,039 time 630 00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,480 and a very useful uh way of doing 631 00:25:19,029 --> 00:25:16,559 regression is like either connecting to 632 00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:19,039 a feeling an uncomfortable feeling or 633 00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:20,240 something that the person wants to 634 00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:21,200 resolve 635 00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:22,880 and just to ask the unconscious to go 636 00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,120 back all the way back to the source to 637 00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,520 do the where it all started like to the 638 00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,279 cause of that 639 00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,520 and that's where usually uh when you do 640 00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:32,880 phobias and it's really interesting 641 00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:34,400 because i've had 642 00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:36,720 people who say oh i don't know where it 643 00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:39,279 comes from i have this fear of water for 644 00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:40,799 example i don't know where it comes from 645 00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:43,120 it must come from a past life 646 00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:45,120 it's important to know to understand 647 00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,799 that it's not because the person doesn't 648 00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:48,960 remember that necessarily means it's in 649 00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:51,120 a past life i always tell people and say 650 00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:53,360 listen we'll bring you an altered state 651 00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:54,799 of consciousness and we'll ask your 652 00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:56,799 unconscious mind to bring you back to 653 00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,400 the cause if it's a past life it's a 654 00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,919 past life it's when you're young it's 655 00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,400 when you're young and very often it's 656 00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:04,159 it's something happen when they're young 657 00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,159 but they just blocked or unconsciously 658 00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:09,360 forgot and we reconnect to that which is 659 00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,640 really interesting because it's 660 00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:12,000 something that constantly they totally 661 00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:13,039 forgot 662 00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:14,400 can you give us a can you give us a 663 00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,320 quick example of 664 00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,320 maybe a case where that's happened i'm 665 00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,320 sure you have many 666 00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,799 therapy and then how that resolves 667 00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:24,640 something for someone that there was a 668 00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:26,159 memory from early in life and they 669 00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:27,520 forgot about it and then once they 670 00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,200 remembered it it resolved some phobia 671 00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,880 for them yeah yeah for example for 672 00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:32,080 example uh 673 00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:33,279 there's a 674 00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,120 i'll give you a couple examples one with 675 00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:37,760 regression in this life and past life 676 00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:38,640 okay 677 00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:42,159 uh regression like for example a person 678 00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:45,200 who had a fear of spider okay i i had a 679 00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:47,279 friend and and she says like i i don't 680 00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:50,320 remember anything about the uh 681 00:26:54,390 --> 00:26:52,000 what could explain this fear of spider 682 00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:54,400 but she couldn't get close to a fear spy 683 00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:56,799 foot to a spider and said okay so i 684 00:27:01,269 --> 00:26:59,200 brought her uh in a ultra state of 685 00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:01,279 consciousness and then i asked the 686 00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,279 unconscious mind to go back 687 00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:05,039 and then we went back to 688 00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:06,480 and sometimes even if we ask the 689 00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,600 unconscious 690 00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:09,600 mind to go back to the source or the 691 00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:12,000 origin it doesn't always go there first 692 00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:15,039 so we always have to ask again so the 693 00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:17,840 first event the person went to was she 694 00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,799 was uh young lying on the pool and then 695 00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,240 there was a 696 00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,720 she she lying beside the pool she just 697 00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,080 got out of the water and there was like 698 00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:28,960 little drops of water like dripping down 699 00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:31,039 in her body and at some point like she 700 00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:32,720 just looked as it was a bit itching and 701 00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:35,679 it was a a spider there and she just 702 00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:38,159 kind of freaked at that point and then 703 00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:41,120 what we usually do is uh we can ask the 704 00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:42,480 the person now i'm gonna ask you a 705 00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:43,919 question i don't want you to think i 706 00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,799 want you to feel is this emotion does it 707 00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:49,679 feel uh new like oh my god what is this 708 00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,640 or is it familiar familiar like oh well 709 00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,880 not again and then was familiar so i 710 00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:56,559 once okay now we're going all the way 711 00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:59,360 back to the source and was what was very 712 00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:01,679 interesting she was about two years old 713 00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:05,440 and uh and she was playing with a a a sp 714 00:28:09,110 --> 00:28:07,840 a spider there was a spider on her 715 00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:09,120 when we're two years old it doesn't 716 00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,279 matter right it's just a spider and then 717 00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:13,520 so until then there's no nothing wrong 718 00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:15,039 and then she takes a spider and she puts 719 00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,679 it in her mouth for a kid no problem but 720 00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,840 the problem was when the mother saw this 721 00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:21,520 and said no 722 00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,919 and then boom association spider 723 00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:25,840 dangerous spider bad mommy doesn't like 724 00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,919 it i shouldn't like it okay and that's 725 00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:29,840 where it all started okay so that's very 726 00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:32,240 interesting when you have things like 727 00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,679 that that just 728 00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,039 you understand where it comes from and 729 00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:37,679 then you can do some techniques 730 00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,440 one technique some among the others like 731 00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:41,840 the informed child technique where you 732 00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:45,200 instruct the the child what he 733 00:28:50,630 --> 00:28:48,240 uh would have needed to know not to be 734 00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,640 conditioned by this and then we 735 00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,240 irradiate this knowledge throughout life 736 00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,399 and there's many things you can do what 737 00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,919 were you able to help her over her 738 00:29:00,149 --> 00:28:57,840 phobia then oh yeah yeah yeah that was 739 00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,159 really interesting because afterwards 740 00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:02,880 because for me i like to test my work 741 00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:05,120 right so afterwards we went in the 742 00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:08,240 basement looking for spiders 743 00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:09,120 okay 744 00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,960 and then um 745 00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:12,880 and and then so we found some little 746 00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,919 spiders 747 00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,200 and um 748 00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:16,799 and she couldn't have them in on her 749 00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:18,399 fingers she was like oh my god i never 750 00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,679 did that before and it was really 751 00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:21,760 amazing so i said okay now let's take it 752 00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:24,320 let's take it a step higher let's go to 753 00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:26,399 the pet shop and i had in mind like 754 00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:28,880 these tarantulas you know those big 755 00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,000 spiders 756 00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:32,159 so uh i didn't know they were really 757 00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,679 dangerous so i just went to the counter 758 00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:36,000 and said to people 759 00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:37,679 is it possible to 760 00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:39,760 look at the spiders the tarantula to to 761 00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:40,880 play with them 762 00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,679 and then 763 00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,279 the people at the counter was like i'm 764 00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,080 not touching this you know i'm like what 765 00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:48,399 this ids can sting they can really hurt 766 00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:49,679 they're not going to kill you but it can 767 00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,240 really really hurt i was like oh okay 768 00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:54,399 and then the owner just came and said no 769 00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,840 they're really nice all you have to do 770 00:30:00,149 --> 00:29:58,080 is just as long as you don't do anything 771 00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,159 that irritates them like blowing on them 772 00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,880 or be too uh like sudden moves and stuff 773 00:30:07,029 --> 00:30:04,799 it's all fine so you just went in the 774 00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,039 cage took a a spider 775 00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,360 and then uh and then like he was playing 776 00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:10,960 and he said okay you can just put your 777 00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:13,039 hand like do the bridge and then like 778 00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:14,640 the spider would come and just she just 779 00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,640 had this amazing feeling of oh my god 780 00:30:21,510 --> 00:30:19,120 this is amazing you know and and she 781 00:30:23,669 --> 00:30:21,520 couldn't do it uh without any problem so 782 00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,679 that was uh really interesting great you 783 00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,679 know and and then one of the things in 784 00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,440 your presentation that i found was just 785 00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:29,200 fascinating maybe this will will lead 786 00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:30,559 into the second story that you're going 787 00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:31,520 to tell 788 00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:33,760 it and i think i've seen an interview 789 00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,760 with michael newton where he confirms 790 00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:37,440 the same thing michael newton as you 791 00:30:42,789 --> 00:30:40,720 just mentioned being a real pioneer 792 00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:42,799 in this idea of past life and between 793 00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:45,120 life therapy but that 794 00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:48,720 sometimes this past life regression will 795 00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:51,600 just happen spontaneously so a therapist 796 00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:53,279 can just run across this even if they 797 00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:54,320 aren't 798 00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,080 open to the idea of someone being in a 799 00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,480 past life they'll just go there 800 00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:00,799 exactly exactly and that's to be honest 801 00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:04,320 alex that's the part i would say that 802 00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:06,640 convinced me or attracted me because 803 00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:07,600 it's something that's totally 804 00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,480 independent of the uh hypnotherapist and 805 00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,640 the client even if the hypnotherapist 806 00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,640 doesn't believe in past life or the 807 00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:16,159 client that doesn't believe in have past 808 00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:18,720 life when he's in that state of hypnosis 809 00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:21,600 and we give suggestion and and the way 810 00:31:26,549 --> 00:31:24,640 why it usually comes spontaneously 811 00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:26,559 is that when we ask to go back to the 812 00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,919 source to the cause of the problem 813 00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:31,600 and that's why like the the 814 00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:33,520 hypnotherapists and there's i've met 815 00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,360 quite a few hypnotherapists before they 816 00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,120 didn't believe in past life they weren't 817 00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:40,080 even open but if you do regression 818 00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,960 part as part of your work as a technique 819 00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:44,799 because not all hypnotherapists use 820 00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,799 regression but if you use that when i 821 00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,880 took my course they said 822 00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:50,480 whether you believe it or not it's gonna 823 00:31:54,549 --> 00:31:52,799 happen so here's what you do when it 824 00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:54,559 happens even if you don't believe it 825 00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:55,440 okay 826 00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,600 and that's why like you just asked the 827 00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,600 unconscious mind although we go all the 828 00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,279 way back to the source and sometimes the 829 00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:03,519 person who might have a fear of water 830 00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,679 would start saying like i'm drowning i'm 831 00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:07,919 drowning and what's happening it's 832 00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:10,640 16 23 and blah blah blah there's this 833 00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:13,440 happening and that's where it uh 834 00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:15,360 it came from the source the origin 835 00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:17,200 because the unconscious mind 836 00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,880 is uh 837 00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,039 is like everything that we experience as 838 00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:23,840 a a soul and here we're starting to use 839 00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:26,799 concepts more spiritual concepts uh has 840 00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:29,200 access to and that's why that's why it's 841 00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,200 very fascinating because if you just do 842 00:32:34,950 --> 00:32:33,600 regression going back to the source it 843 00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:34,960 will happen 844 00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:37,200 maybe two three percent of the time but 845 00:32:39,990 --> 00:32:38,799 it does happen even if people don't 846 00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:40,000 believe in it which is really 847 00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:41,760 interesting can you think of a case 848 00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:42,480 where 849 00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,720 weren't necessarily 850 00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:48,640 trying to lead someone into a past life 851 00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,960 and they spontaneously went into a past 852 00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:53,360 life and then how would you recognize 853 00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,240 that they were in a past life 854 00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,399 yeah i mean like we recognize their when 855 00:33:01,190 --> 00:33:00,480 they're in a past life where the setting 856 00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:01,200 is 857 00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:05,200 totally uh different for example like uh 858 00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:08,240 i had a and this happened a lot uh 859 00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,200 sometime people have a pain okay like a 860 00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,039 back pain that they didn't know where it 861 00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:14,960 come from so just connecting with the 862 00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,600 back pain and going back to the source 863 00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:19,840 where it all started and the person just 864 00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,320 pops in the battlefield okay 865 00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:24,640 somebody stabbing them right and like 866 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,960 accessing this and and like you know 867 00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:28,320 it's not in their present life because 868 00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,279 they're like you know because they 869 00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,360 haven't they're not so sure right yeah 870 00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,760 yeah exactly exactly you know and 871 00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:35,760 sometimes they died in that way and it's 872 00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:37,760 as if and i don't understand everything 873 00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:39,120 i'm interested that's why i'm interested 874 00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:42,080 but how can that memory be 875 00:33:45,909 --> 00:33:44,080 you know how does it work really i don't 876 00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:45,919 know we don't know much about it but we 877 00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:46,880 know that 878 00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:49,519 there seems to be something connecting 879 00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:51,760 and having like influence from past life 880 00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:54,559 to present life and that's uh and it's 881 00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:56,000 really fascinating when it happens 882 00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,760 spontaneously especially if the client 883 00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,960 doesn't come 884 00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,640 to me 885 00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:02,559 for past life regression 886 00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:04,720 today i would say it's more rare that it 887 00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:06,080 happens spontaneously because i'm 888 00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:08,159 specialized in spiritual hypnosis so 889 00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:11,520 people come to me for past life but even 890 00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:13,679 if they come to me and say 891 00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,240 as i mentioned before like uh 892 00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:18,960 there's this pain or this fear or this 893 00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:21,200 whatever this unexplained emotion i 894 00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,879 don't know where it comes from it must 895 00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:24,560 come from a past life we have to be 896 00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:27,200 really careful it it's not true and that 897 00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:29,839 would not be a professional for from the 898 00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,720 hypnotist to say oh to the unconscious 899 00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,399 okay now go all the way back to a past 900 00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,720 life where this pain came from 901 00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,399 that that's the typical mistake that 902 00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,079 some hypnotists who are not really 903 00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:42,159 qualified will make because we cannot 904 00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:45,040 make this assumption basically 905 00:34:49,349 --> 00:34:47,119 you know there's a lot of 906 00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,359 open areas that need a lot of further 907 00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:50,960 research as you just alluded to and it 908 00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:53,200 sounds like something you're open to 909 00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,280 one thing i wanted to do in this 910 00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:57,920 discussion is maybe nail down some of 911 00:35:05,510 --> 00:34:58,720 the 912 00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,520 myths associated with hypnosis and as i 913 00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:07,839 was mentioning to you a minute ago i i 914 00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,280 do want to get past the the fluffy white 915 00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:14,000 cotton stuff because you know you can 916 00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:16,320 google hypnosis and you'll get a lot 917 00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,400 it's safe you know there's never 918 00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:20,079 anything bad that's going to happen 919 00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:22,000 you'll remember everything and all this 920 00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:23,920 which i don't know may be true to a 921 00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,880 certain extent but i guess i also 922 00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:28,560 sometimes feel when i read that that it 923 00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:31,280 kind of belies the the power of the tool 924 00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:33,920 i mean if it can if hypnosis can do all 925 00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,040 these amazing things then it can't be 926 00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:39,839 all those other things too so in that 927 00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:42,240 spirit can we really kind of tell it 928 00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:45,599 like it is about the reality of hypnosis 929 00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:47,599 and i guess i'd start with 930 00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:50,720 can we ever get someone to do something 931 00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:53,520 under hypnosis that is against their 932 00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:56,320 will whatever that means 933 00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:57,520 and i guess 934 00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:59,520 of course you can i mean yeah of course 935 00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:01,520 you can't some people you can get to do 936 00:36:05,750 --> 00:36:03,440 some things against their will that 937 00:36:07,990 --> 00:36:05,760 seems to be self-evident from the fact 938 00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,000 that hypnosis works 939 00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,160 yeah yeah exactly and that's what 940 00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:12,480 usually we see in stage hypnosis or 941 00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:14,560 street hypnosis you know like 942 00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,160 giving suggestion that you're stuck on 943 00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:18,079 your chair and you can't get up and even 944 00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:20,960 if you try it doesn't work you know so 945 00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,960 that's an example of it's not it's 946 00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:24,720 against their will they try they really 947 00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:27,280 consciously try and they can't okay 948 00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:30,160 and but that happens 949 00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,000 uh let's say 950 00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:34,079 because a part of the person is okay 951 00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:36,079 with that okay like unconsciously it's 952 00:36:39,030 --> 00:36:37,040 not threatening it's not 953 00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:39,040 life-threatening they're they're open to 954 00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:40,880 the experience in some ways 955 00:36:46,069 --> 00:36:44,000 uh but what is most controversial is can 956 00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:46,079 you make somebody do something against 957 00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:48,560 their values or that they wouldn't do 958 00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:50,800 uh that they wouldn't even want to do 959 00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:51,760 because i mean they're like getting 960 00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:54,560 stuck on a chair there's nothing bad 961 00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,760 you know related to that but to to 962 00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,240 to to i don't know to take advantage of 963 00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:02,079 someone by stealing something from them 964 00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:03,680 or stuff like that 965 00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,800 some people 966 00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:06,800 you know a lot of hypnotherapists will 967 00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,920 tell their 968 00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,119 clients 969 00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:11,200 uh you will never do something that you 970 00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:12,720 wouldn't want to do and anything against 971 00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:13,920 their values 972 00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:17,280 and the truth alex is not it's not true 973 00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,560 okay uh 974 00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:20,320 if you have some 975 00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:23,359 hypnotists who uh is ill-intentioned who 976 00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,359 doesn't have a good intention 977 00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,079 he he could take advantage i mean 978 00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:30,000 you never see this in hypnotherapy 979 00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:31,839 settings because if the hypnotherapist 980 00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:34,079 would steal or do something the client 981 00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:35,920 would come back okay 982 00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:38,240 what i i would my advice to people would 983 00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:40,160 be like if they do it in the street for 984 00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:42,000 example to make sure you're not alone 985 00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:43,680 you're with friends okay and that you 986 00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:45,599 trust the person but i'll i'm gonna 987 00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:48,480 explain to you why it works okay 988 00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:49,440 because 989 00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:52,480 uh in hypnosis the strength comes from 990 00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:55,040 being in control of the frame which we 991 00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:57,920 of reality that we present to the person 992 00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:00,800 because i i know a hypnotherapist who 993 00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,520 even did research 994 00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:05,599 in this industry not just to see is it 995 00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,760 can we really make someone do something 996 00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:09,520 that they wouldn't want to do 997 00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:10,800 normally 998 00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,079 and then uh 999 00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,320 and he did do some stuff and one thing 1000 00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,960 that he did is hypnotize somebody to 1001 00:38:21,109 --> 00:38:18,480 steal their coat 1002 00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:21,119 okay to see would the person 1003 00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:22,560 get the coat 1004 00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:27,200 of course if you're doing 1005 00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:29,200 i i mean you bring the person under 1006 00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,720 hypnosis and you give the suggestion 1007 00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:32,640 next time your eyes will open 1008 00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:33,599 uh 1009 00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,400 you will give me your code okay 1010 00:38:40,390 --> 00:38:38,560 internally there's something against the 1011 00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,400 values you know like that's michael 1012 00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:42,640 that's not your code there would be more 1013 00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:45,760 resistance okay but if the person would 1014 00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,000 say now at count of three your eyes open 1015 00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,400 you you will really realize that the 1016 00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:52,560 coat you're wearing is my coat 1017 00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,880 okay and you'll feel really bad about 1018 00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:56,160 wearing my coat and you'll just give it 1019 00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:58,000 back to me and then when you frame it 1020 00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,680 like this it doesn't go against the 1021 00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:01,119 values okay 1022 00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:04,160 and that's where things can happen in 1023 00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:06,640 some ways and most hypnotherapists don't 1024 00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,839 talk about this because they don't want 1025 00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:09,359 to scare their clients 1026 00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:11,119 i prefer to tell the truth it is 1027 00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,160 possible 1028 00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,240 in hypnotherapy settings it doesn't 1029 00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:16,160 happen because i mean the person would 1030 00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:17,920 remember and even if the hypnotherapist 1031 00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,320 gave the suggestion that you will forget 1032 00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,720 amnesia is not very stable for these 1033 00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:24,560 kind of things so it's not it wouldn't 1034 00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,520 even be 1035 00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:27,920 worth the risk of remembering like my 1036 00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:30,160 client remembering that i stole whatever 1037 00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:31,599 or did whatever that's bad so 1038 00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,839 hypnotherapist it doesn't happen so i 1039 00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:35,520 don't want to scare people but as you 1040 00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:38,480 mentioned there there can be uh 1041 00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:40,960 it does it's not all pink and happy and 1042 00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,599 nothing can happen there if you're with 1043 00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:45,680 the person in the street that has bad 1044 00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,400 intention they could do something okay 1045 00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:50,000 and uh so that's why 1046 00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,280 my advice to people if you're in the 1047 00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,520 street do and you have a hypnotist come 1048 00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,359 to you make sure you have friends around 1049 00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,680 and you just get a good feeling of the 1050 00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,800 person 1051 00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:00,960 and the other thing i want to bring is 1052 00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:03,280 uh especially doing regression with the 1053 00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,200 thing with false memories 1054 00:40:08,829 --> 00:40:07,200 okay that's something that's another 1055 00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:08,839 thing that can 1056 00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,880 uh do damages in some ways and if the 1057 00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:15,040 hypnotherapist is well trained that's 1058 00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,839 fine 1059 00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:17,760 but we have to understand that in 1060 00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,040 hypnosis 1061 00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,359 a person is really receptive 1062 00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:23,760 and what is uh very important in all 1063 00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:26,240 regression training is what we call 1064 00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:27,680 uh to 1065 00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,160 the the mistake of doing inappropriate 1066 00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,800 leading have you heard of this just 1067 00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,560 casually so i think it's an important 1068 00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:36,560 topic to talk about because 1069 00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:38,320 and again touching on what you just said 1070 00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,280 before 1071 00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:41,520 i don't certainly don't want to scare 1072 00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:42,640 anyone 1073 00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,320 away from this valuable tool 1074 00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:48,560 same token as as you're mentioning i 1075 00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:51,359 think we have to honor the power of this 1076 00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:53,440 tool and we shouldn't diminish it by 1077 00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,319 saying oh it's just all easily uh 1078 00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,079 maneuvered or easily understood because 1079 00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,160 it's not and i think this other area 1080 00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,000 that you're getting into is very 1081 00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:04,240 controversial and it is very scary for 1082 00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,160 people and that the that is the idea 1083 00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:08,079 that they could be so open and so 1084 00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,319 receptive that they could be implanted 1085 00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,720 with memories that aren't real memories 1086 00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:14,880 and that that could somehow 1087 00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:17,280 harm them in some way by destroying 1088 00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,480 their 1089 00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:20,400 idea of who they are by what they 1090 00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:23,680 remember so what is the the real scoop 1091 00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:26,640 on that john charles 1092 00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:27,520 well 1093 00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,960 to avoid creating any false memories 1094 00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:32,880 is you just had the hypnotist has to be 1095 00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,440 really careful as not to impose 1096 00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,680 his own presupposition in the client's 1097 00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:39,359 experience and i'll give you a classic 1098 00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,640 example of why in the past 1099 00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:44,960 hypnosis was taken to court and like it 1100 00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:47,359 wasn't discredited it was discredited is 1101 00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,000 that like if the hypnotist for example 1102 00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:52,160 let's say an example a client comes to a 1103 00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,680 hypnotist and says 1104 00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:55,760 i want to see if i was abused when i was 1105 00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:56,560 young 1106 00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,480 okay 1107 00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,960 a bad hypnotist would bring the person 1108 00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,400 in an altered state of consciousness and 1109 00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,839 we said now i'm going to come from three 1110 00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:04,960 down to one and you're going to go all 1111 00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:07,599 the way back to the time you were abused 1112 00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:09,680 press the position that they were abused 1113 00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,599 and this is a mistake a big no-no in 1114 00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,440 regression because you don't want to 1115 00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:17,280 presuppose that they were abused but if 1116 00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:19,599 the if the hypnotist isn't skilled it's 1117 00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,920 just like oh trying and let's explore 1118 00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,920 the client client could potentially 1119 00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:24,800 create 1120 00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:27,920 a an experience which is not true okay 1121 00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:30,079 that's why this is called inappropriate 1122 00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,119 leaning 1123 00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:33,440 and inappropriate leading can be done 1124 00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,720 you know 1125 00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:36,400 in different ways uh 1126 00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:41,510 i don't know if i go back to a child 1127 00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,480 you're a child and you're uh eating food 1128 00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:46,880 and having fun and and throwing food on 1129 00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:49,359 the floor and stuff like that and if the 1130 00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:52,400 hypnotherapist and says oh your parents 1131 00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:55,280 must not be very happy about this okay 1132 00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:57,359 and this is leading it's a good 1133 00:43:00,870 --> 00:42:59,040 hypnotherapist and how does your parent 1134 00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,880 feel about this if it's relevant of 1135 00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:02,480 course it's just an example 1136 00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,359 but uh that that's why it's uh it's very 1137 00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,000 important and when i do certification 1138 00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:10,079 for the the institute because 1139 00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:11,520 just something like that about the 1140 00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:13,839 institute i do certification contrary to 1141 00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:15,359 some other school sometimes like they 1142 00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:17,200 have to prove they have good 1143 00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,160 uh 1144 00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:21,040 skills to do regression and it can be 1145 00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,960 very subtle for example like the person 1146 00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:25,040 goes back to an event not necessarily in 1147 00:43:31,750 --> 00:43:28,240 childhood or maybe where they're in a 1148 00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:31,760 there's someone uh dying or a ceremony 1149 00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:33,920 and everything happening and then if the 1150 00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:37,280 hypnosis said oh and how do you feel as 1151 00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:39,359 you're there you know as if implying 1152 00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,079 they should feel bad you know and 1153 00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:44,400 this kind of leading could you know and 1154 00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,240 it's not as fragile 1155 00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:47,680 people have to understand it's not as 1156 00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:51,280 fragile even if you do leading uh 1157 00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:54,079 mistakes sometimes people will tell you 1158 00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,920 like that oh this is not happening and 1159 00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,440 they will correct you even if you had to 1160 00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,839 preserve a position it's not as fragile 1161 00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:01,440 i don't want to scare people 1162 00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,720 but it's just like if you have a 1163 00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,880 hypnotherapist who does a lot of leading 1164 00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,240 mistakes 1165 00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:09,359 there's a chance that a a memory will a 1166 00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,680 false memory could be created and we and 1167 00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:13,200 we don't want that and what you're 1168 00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,359 suggesting is also challenging in a way 1169 00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:17,359 because we just don't know 1170 00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:19,839 how all this stuff really works and i 1171 00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:21,760 mean here you are you're very skilled 1172 00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,040 practitioner and you can reliably get 1173 00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:27,359 certain results but it does seem like in 1174 00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,000 these other areas we don't know why 1175 00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,560 people would confabulate and form a 1176 00:44:36,069 --> 00:44:34,720 false memory why would the mind work 1177 00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,079 like that i mean these are these are 1178 00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,480 open questions right yeah yeah and i'm 1179 00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,640 really glad you you brought that because 1180 00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,560 also like i mean because there's 1181 00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:44,319 basically two types of regression you 1182 00:44:49,829 --> 00:44:46,640 know there's present life regression and 1183 00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,839 past life in between lives uh regression 1184 00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:52,160 past life usually done in childhood 1185 00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:54,800 and past life while doing in the past 1186 00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:57,040 and what's very important that's often a 1187 00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:59,599 taboo i would say in training in past 1188 00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:02,240 life training because it's as if like 1189 00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,079 people take for granted it should be all 1190 00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:06,480 true i don't think it's it's true that 1191 00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,440 all memories access are necessarily real 1192 00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:11,599 past life i do believe there's a lot 1193 00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,040 that is real because i mean when you 1194 00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,119 experience and you see and especially 1195 00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:17,440 when you can i mean if we're purely 1196 00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:19,040 logical rational 1197 00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:20,480 we should only 1198 00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:23,119 accept if we can verify some things okay 1199 00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:25,280 and i've had clients verify information 1200 00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,040 about stuff that you know you can't read 1201 00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,680 in the journal in little villages 1202 00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:31,520 buried you know a long time ago and then 1203 00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,160 you find information it does happen but 1204 00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:36,319 what also can happen is that the 1205 00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:39,599 unconscious may create a metaphor okay 1206 00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:42,640 for the individuals to either understand 1207 00:45:47,510 --> 00:45:44,960 or release something and it doesn't have 1208 00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,520 to be less uh 1209 00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:49,200 important or even powerful because i've 1210 00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,680 had clients i truly believe were 1211 00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:54,000 metaphors because metaphors are 1212 00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,760 different from past life there's 1213 00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:57,920 something more uh 1214 00:46:01,349 --> 00:46:00,240 symbolism and stuff like that and that 1215 00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:01,359 really 1216 00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:03,200 doesn't feel true like i've been doing 1217 00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,119 this for a while so i can get a feel of 1218 00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,920 both but the person just changed 1219 00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,280 like a deep 1220 00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:11,359 change like the the unconscious even 1221 00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,200 through dreams communicate with symbols 1222 00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:14,720 with metaphors that's the language of 1223 00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,040 the unconscious so if the unconscious 1224 00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,720 mind chooses to give 1225 00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:20,640 instead of gaining access to a past life 1226 00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,800 chooses to create a metaphor to either 1227 00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:24,880 release something or help understand 1228 00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:27,680 some things that's fine you know it's we 1229 00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,760 have to get away from visit 1230 00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,520 real or not from 1231 00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,680 how is it beneficial for the individual 1232 00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,280 what can be used 1233 00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:37,200 to either understand was it help what's 1234 00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:40,000 the therapeutic benefits of this 1235 00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,960 uh 1236 00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:43,200 instead of just focusing was it real or 1237 00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,640 not that's not the real question when 1238 00:46:48,069 --> 00:46:46,480 you do this kind of work with the 1239 00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,079 intention of 1240 00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:50,079 self growth basically 1241 00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:52,880 fascinating i love the way you handle 1242 00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,240 that because i love the openness to all 1243 00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:58,480 the different possibilities that might 1244 00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:01,760 exist and at the same time your your 1245 00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:04,480 rigor and your focus about how we should 1246 00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,680 approach it in terms of results so with 1247 00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:09,599 that as kind of a background 1248 00:47:12,710 --> 00:47:11,839 take people through 1249 00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:12,720 what 1250 00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,240 typically happens in a past life or 1251 00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,480 between life regression and i'm not sure 1252 00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,880 how those would be different and what 1253 00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:23,200 typically someone why someone would come 1254 00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:25,839 to you for that and then typically what 1255 00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:27,839 they would experience during that kind 1256 00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:29,119 of session 1257 00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:32,240 yeah sure uh i guess i'll just start by 1258 00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,760 making a difference between past life 1259 00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:35,040 regression and in between life 1260 00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:37,839 regressions uh past life regression 1261 00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,760 basically while most people know know 1262 00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:41,440 about this going back to another 1263 00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:42,800 incarnation 1264 00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:45,200 uh where we have a different body 1265 00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,440 different name different type different 1266 00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,280 physiology okay you don't necessarily 1267 00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:51,599 look like uh what you look like today 1268 00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:54,240 couldn't be a different gender okay 1269 00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:55,520 and uh 1270 00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:58,240 so that's past life and the reasons why 1271 00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,240 we may be interested in doing past lives 1272 00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,880 is to either understand some things in 1273 00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:05,040 your present life where some things 1274 00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:07,599 situation or illness or pain or whatever 1275 00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:10,400 comes from uh like or emotions that you 1276 00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:12,400 don't know where it comes from it can be 1277 00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:15,440 to release blockages or to unblock 1278 00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:18,160 something and could be also to re-access 1279 00:48:21,349 --> 00:48:19,119 some 1280 00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:21,359 resources or states 1281 00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,880 you know that you've had that would be 1282 00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:24,880 beneficial for you an example of that 1283 00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:25,839 would be 1284 00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:28,720 someone who has very low self-esteem 1285 00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,240 in this lifetime 1286 00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,119 and uh and and also what's important to 1287 00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:35,040 mention is the way i work 1288 00:48:39,750 --> 00:48:38,160 i always ask the higher consciousness 1289 00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:39,760 okay to bring the person back to a 1290 00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,559 lifetime that has a lot of influence or 1291 00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:44,480 their on their present life so even if 1292 00:48:48,630 --> 00:48:46,400 they had i tell people whatever you've 1293 00:48:50,230 --> 00:48:48,640 been told about past life we put it on 1294 00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:50,240 the side there's a lot of psychics 1295 00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:52,079 people telling stuff 1296 00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:53,760 sometime it may be true sometimes it's 1297 00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:56,000 not so i tell people we don't just let's 1298 00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:57,839 put this on the side and let's just say 1299 00:49:02,950 --> 00:48:59,599 what your higher consciousness wants to 1300 00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:02,960 show you to help you in some ways and uh 1301 00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,920 and so the person would access a past 1302 00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:07,680 life that would uh 1303 00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,920 have significant on their on their 1304 00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:11,920 present life to either understand or 1305 00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:13,839 coming back to their self-confidence 1306 00:49:18,870 --> 00:49:16,400 thing the person could access and i had 1307 00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,880 a client recently where she was really 1308 00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:21,119 confident in a past life you know she 1309 00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,079 was 1310 00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,160 this person nothing not a big title not 1311 00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,920 a popular person but she had just this 1312 00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,960 confidence 1313 00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:29,040 and it kind of created a resource 1314 00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:32,000 resource inside a person that she could 1315 00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,559 feel and now all the cells all the body 1316 00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,240 it could just create really create a 1317 00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:38,079 resource resource that afterwards she 1318 00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:40,079 could feel it would be easier to tap 1319 00:49:47,430 --> 00:49:43,359 into that okay so that's an example 1320 00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:47,440 where of why someone would do past life 1321 00:49:52,549 --> 00:49:50,000 now life between lives is something is 1322 00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,559 less understood and it's even more 1323 00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:54,720 complex okay 1324 00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:58,000 basically in between lives is where what 1325 00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:00,559 happens after we die in the past life so 1326 00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,280 typically in a typical process although 1327 00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:05,040 there's other ways of doing it a typical 1328 00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,359 process you will go back to a past life 1329 00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:09,359 and you'll bring the person to the death 1330 00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:12,480 scene and go after the death okay and 1331 00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:14,319 that's where it's really interesting 1332 00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:15,839 because there's a lot 1333 00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:20,000 of similarities between nde experiences 1334 00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,960 people uh that we uh report that near 1335 00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:24,960 death experience ex 1336 00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:27,520 experiences and also what happens that 1337 00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:30,000 like like separating from the body 1338 00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,599 sometimes going through a tunnel or 1339 00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,040 going somewhere there's light meeting 1340 00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:35,280 beings and all this 1341 00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,480 and uh 1342 00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,640 and the reasons there may be 1343 00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:40,079 many reasons why someone may be 1344 00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,680 interested in that it can be to 1345 00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,760 reconnect with their spiritual nature 1346 00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:46,079 you know like to because i don't know if 1347 00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,480 you've heard the expression we're not uh 1348 00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,559 human beings having spiritual experience 1349 00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:52,240 we're a spiritual being having a human 1350 00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:53,920 experience i would say in a nutshell 1351 00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,359 that's basically 1352 00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,119 what this process helps people to 1353 00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:59,359 reconnect with their spiritual 1354 00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,400 aspect 1355 00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,319 of themselves and it could be 1356 00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:05,040 to reconnect with what we call the life 1357 00:51:08,549 --> 00:51:06,400 mission 1358 00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:08,559 or the live contract 1359 00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,000 uh which 1360 00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:13,200 in this frame of mind is is uh there's a 1361 00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:15,680 reason why we we would incarnate okay 1362 00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,079 there's some things we want to 1363 00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:20,880 to resolve or to do or some qualities to 1364 00:51:26,390 --> 00:51:23,520 develop to grow as a soul okay so that's 1365 00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:26,400 the the principle behind this 1366 00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:27,760 and uh 1367 00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:30,000 and i also don't like the term life 1368 00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,599 mission i'm probably gonna change that 1369 00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:33,119 because a lot of people think mission 1370 00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:34,720 you know this big mission i came here to 1371 00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:37,359 change the world i came this you know 1372 00:51:40,710 --> 00:51:39,119 i prefer to use the term contract 1373 00:51:42,470 --> 00:51:40,720 because it can be something very simple 1374 00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:42,480 it might not have anything to do 1375 00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:45,200 professionally you know to to to learn 1376 00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:48,079 to forgive to learn to assert yourself 1377 00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:49,920 learn you know qualities like this it 1378 00:51:53,910 --> 00:51:51,839 doesn't have to be this big thing that 1379 00:51:55,109 --> 00:51:53,920 life mission sometimes triggers in 1380 00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:55,119 people you know 1381 00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,400 uh so life mission to to understand 1382 00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,319 why you're here basically you know what 1383 00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,480 you why you incarnated like life 1384 00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,200 suggestions or recommendations right i 1385 00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:07,920 mean yeah yeah i mean like to reconnect 1386 00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,920 with what you decided to 1387 00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:11,680 to do when you came in this incarnation 1388 00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:14,720 to help you move forward on that path 1389 00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:17,280 and some people can be to reconnect with 1390 00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:19,920 the nature of what we call spirit guides 1391 00:52:24,390 --> 00:52:22,480 okay or sometimes people call angels and 1392 00:52:26,309 --> 00:52:24,400 there and 1393 00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:26,319 it's really fascinating when people 1394 00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:29,520 connect with them and with a a guide and 1395 00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,640 they have this experience of 1396 00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:32,400 unconditional love like that you see 1397 00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:33,280 stuff 1398 00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:35,440 when you do this work that's this i mean 1399 00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:41,030 clients will report very of often 1400 00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,960 feeling feelings of love 1401 00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:44,960 unconditional love that they've never 1402 00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:46,960 felt in their incarnation is that if 1403 00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,119 like something really profound and also 1404 00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:51,440 to reconnect with their true nature it's 1405 00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:53,520 as if like there's 1406 00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,640 alex there's rochelle there's our masks 1407 00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:58,720 okay these rental cars that we have 1408 00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:01,119 throughout lifetimes and then when we 1409 00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:03,839 start to connect even slightly with 1410 00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:06,800 the essence this uh spark or this light 1411 00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:12,150 uh 1412 00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,359 timeless kind of self in some ways and 1413 00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,280 if people feel an expansion and they 1414 00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:19,280 can't kind can have an experience of 1415 00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,880 really a 1416 00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:22,960 transformative experience of their whole 1417 00:53:25,750 --> 00:53:24,559 perceptions because what we have to 1418 00:53:27,910 --> 00:53:25,760 understand 1419 00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,920 is when you have these experiences you 1420 00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:29,760 really can change 1421 00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,000 many things for example if someone 1422 00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,720 uh for example had a parent okay very 1423 00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:36,720 unloving you know like 1424 00:53:41,349 --> 00:53:39,359 very tough on the child on the client 1425 00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:41,359 when he was young and then you go back 1426 00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:43,040 in between lives and you find out you 1427 00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:45,359 had a contract with that soul would give 1428 00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:46,480 you trouble 1429 00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:49,040 so that you can either reconnect 1430 00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,359 yourself with your feeling of self-love 1431 00:53:55,829 --> 00:53:53,839 and to have some growth experience to 1432 00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:55,839 grow out of this and when you really 1433 00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,319 understand the contract it really helps 1434 00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,559 for forgiveness but also at the highest 1435 00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,640 level you can even have gratitude for 1436 00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:04,800 that soul to be on your path to have 1437 00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:07,599 give you new that much trouble so it 1438 00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:10,319 could trigger some qualities or 1439 00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,760 competence that you wouldn't have 1440 00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:13,599 developed if you just had loving parents 1441 00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,960 okay so that makes a huge switch in 1442 00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:18,640 someone's mind 1443 00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:20,880 it can also be used to get rid of fear 1444 00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:24,559 of dying when just going in a past life 1445 00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:26,960 throughout a past life and dying 1446 00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:30,400 i i remember in colorado i i had a 1447 00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:31,680 a um 1448 00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:34,160 a person uh who was a 1449 00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:35,839 an engineer you know 1450 00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:38,000 really rational i had trouble accessing 1451 00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:40,079 the the state was questioning a lot and 1452 00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:42,079 i don't know if i'm making this up and 1453 00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,000 that's so fun just keep going and when 1454 00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,079 we arrive at the death scene 1455 00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,480 and she just starts crying and just goes 1456 00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,160 deeper at that point 1457 00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,720 and what i didn't know even before the 1458 00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:54,240 we we talked 1459 00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:57,200 uh the person has a really deep fear of 1460 00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:59,920 death and her husband would say like she 1461 00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:02,079 wouldn't even go a week without talking 1462 00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,079 about it she was like really into this 1463 00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:07,040 and then we were all eating together 1464 00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:09,440 and then uh and she said that to her 1465 00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:11,200 husband you know what 1466 00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:12,880 i think i'm not afraid anymore he was 1467 00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:15,760 just like what you know so 1468 00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,079 these things that can help for a grief 1469 00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:20,400 process another interesting thing that 1470 00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:23,119 really surprised me as well is sometimes 1471 00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:26,079 people or dead people relatives loved 1472 00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:28,800 ones can sometimes connect and 1473 00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:31,760 and have interaction that helps to 1474 00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:33,280 free 1475 00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:35,839 uh to help like forgiveness and so 1476 00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:38,240 there's many many things that can happen 1477 00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:39,440 in these uh 1478 00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:41,599 types of life between life 1479 00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:42,960 experience 1480 00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:45,680 it's it's amazing i have to say i think 1481 00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,599 for a lot of people 1482 00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:49,599 it's a lot to take in 1483 00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:53,040 it's very challenging on so many levels 1484 00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:54,799 and in the little bit of time that we 1485 00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:57,359 have left i want to touch on a couple of 1486 00:56:01,910 --> 00:56:00,000 things i think it's very important the 1487 00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:01,920 way and i love this approach that you 1488 00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:04,880 have of coming back to the measurable 1489 00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:07,119 effects that your clients have they're 1490 00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:08,880 either better or they're not better and 1491 00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:10,880 i think for the person who's more 1492 00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:12,880 cynical or skeptical they'll go well 1493 00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,960 those are just anecdotes and i don't 1494 00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:16,480 think that's true i mean i think in a 1495 00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:18,559 therapeutic session this is what we 1496 00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:20,559 measure all the time i mean if you're a 1497 00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:23,520 psychotherapist a psychoanalyst you know 1498 00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:26,000 you're doing therapy and people are 1499 00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,920 either better or they're not based on 1500 00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,240 how they report and we compare that to 1501 00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,400 drugs we can give someone drugs to 1502 00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:34,400 overcome grief we can give them 1503 00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:36,319 antidepressants to overcome grief we can 1504 00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,559 give them psychotherapy to overcome 1505 00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,079 grief or 1506 00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:42,079 we could give them a past life or 1507 00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:43,920 between life regression therapy and we 1508 00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,480 could measure that so i i just it always 1509 00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:48,480 amazes me where people want to kind of 1510 00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:50,000 just dismiss it and slide off the table 1511 00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,760 and say that's not scientific we can't 1512 00:56:55,270 --> 00:56:53,440 measure it of course we can measure we 1513 00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:55,280 measure that kind of stuff all the time 1514 00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:58,480 to find out what is most efficacious 1515 00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:59,359 so 1516 00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:01,440 if you have anything to add to that 1517 00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:03,200 great but then the last thing that i 1518 00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:05,440 want to really get on 1519 00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:08,240 what the heck does this mean i mean this 1520 00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:11,280 is challenging in so many ways 1521 00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:13,839 soul contract life groups 1522 00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:16,720 life missions it's not about this life 1523 00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:18,640 it's about the next life how does 1524 00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,280 someone figure this stuff out figure out 1525 00:57:26,069 --> 00:57:23,680 how to incorporate this into 1526 00:57:29,190 --> 00:57:26,079 their world view how are your clients 1527 00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:29,200 making that that leap of understanding 1528 00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:31,280 i mean like the clients that i see are 1529 00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:36,079 usually open uh to reincarnation to to 1530 00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:38,960 these uh principles or this concept of 1531 00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:41,599 having a a soul group having a live 1532 00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:43,839 mission and all this 1533 00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:45,520 uh but what is most interesting and when 1534 00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:48,160 you have clients and that's where i i 1535 00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:49,920 guess the point that is worth mentioning 1536 00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,319 is that even if the client doesn't 1537 00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:54,400 believe in it and i've had clients okay 1538 00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:56,079 who come in the in the in the office and 1539 00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:58,079 say you know what i'm a very i'm very 1540 00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:00,160 skeptical and i said that's fine but my 1541 00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:02,319 wife made me come or my husband made me 1542 00:58:09,910 --> 00:58:03,920 yeah 1543 00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,920 you're open to have an experience 1544 00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:11,280 then it's fine because if the person 1545 00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,799 that wants to prove it's not going to 1546 00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:14,880 work or what doesn't want to believe 1547 00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:16,559 that it's possible then they're going to 1548 00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:17,680 block the experience they're not going 1549 00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:18,880 to follow your suggestion they're not 1550 00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:20,880 going to let it happen but if the person 1551 00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:22,079 says to me you know what i'm very 1552 00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:23,280 skeptical 1553 00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:26,079 but i'm open that's perfect and that's 1554 00:58:30,549 --> 00:58:27,920 when you have these people who haven't 1555 00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,559 read a lot about this stuff who are very 1556 00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:32,640 skeptical and who have this really 1557 00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:34,960 profound experience who know not only on 1558 00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,040 the spot are very meaningful and very 1559 00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,440 touching and all this but it goes 1560 00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:41,119 integrates in their life 1561 00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:42,720 things change in their life and their 1562 00:58:47,349 --> 00:58:44,720 interaction with others with themselves 1563 00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:47,359 perceptions of the world there's really 1564 00:58:50,789 --> 00:58:48,480 noticeable 1565 00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:50,799 changes that can take place at many many 1566 00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,160 levels and sometimes even at levels that 1567 00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:56,559 you haven't touched during the session 1568 00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,000 which is really interesting i've had 1569 00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:00,559 like a chiropractor who came to see me 1570 00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,960 who had this really this really deep 1571 00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:04,400 pain and we've 1572 00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:06,960 uh did work past life life between life 1573 00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,760 and it just like because we do i always 1574 00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,280 ask the higher consciousness to do 1575 00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:13,680 healing and stuff but i wasn't 1576 00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:14,799 specifically 1577 00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:16,240 toward the pain i didn't even know about 1578 00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:18,160 it and the guy just reported the day 1579 00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,839 after i was like you know what this pain 1580 00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:21,760 that i've had for years is gone so 1581 00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,240 there's i we don't understand alex we 1582 00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:26,480 don't understand exactly how it works 1583 00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:29,040 it's a bit like like a car a car and you 1584 00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:31,359 know how to drive we know what to do but 1585 00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:32,799 you know like for i mean some people 1586 00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:34,559 know how car cars works but you don't 1587 00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,480 need to know how the car works to use 1588 00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:38,640 the car you know so uh it's very 1589 00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:41,359 fascinating and i honestly think that 1590 00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:43,440 as changes i mean there's big changes in 1591 00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:44,880 the world there's a lot of people are 1592 00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:46,880 more open now i get more and more 1593 00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:48,400 clients who are not even to into 1594 00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:50,720 spirituality they're just very sincere 1595 00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:53,200 about knowing more about themselves and 1596 00:59:57,589 --> 00:59:55,119 i think in the future this kind of 1597 00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:57,599 spiritual hypnosis will be more and more 1598 01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:59,359 popular because it just 1599 01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:01,359 takes even for a therapy like a 1600 01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,160 therapist like psychologists uh i in my 1601 01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:06,720 classes i have psychologists doctors 1602 01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:08,319 who don't want to be on the website but 1603 01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:09,359 they want to use it personally with 1604 01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:10,880 their clients because i mean like 1605 01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,559 there's orders i don't know how it is in 1606 01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:14,640 the states but it's a bit more touchy 1607 01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:17,440 but it just gives you a a broader 1608 01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,240 broader sense of a broader sense of the 1609 01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:22,240 of the situation of client even the 1610 01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:25,440 karmic influences uh why they're here so 1611 01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:27,920 if they have this problem and you can 1612 01:00:31,670 --> 01:00:29,839 manage to get a wider view it's just 1613 01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:31,680 more helpful overall to to help the 1614 01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:34,480 client well great john charles and we 1615 01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:36,079 will definitely have a link to your 1616 01:00:40,630 --> 01:00:38,720 website and your couple of your websites 1617 01:00:42,549 --> 01:00:40,640 but in the little bit of time we have 1618 01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:42,559 left tell folks 1619 01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:45,200 how they might get in contact with you 1620 01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:47,200 if they're interested in this or want to 1621 01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:49,280 learn more about it or want to watch 1622 01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:52,079 some of your excellent youtube videos uh 1623 01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:54,640 yeah well i mean i have my uh 1624 01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:57,119 yeah youtube website i guess if you just 1625 01:01:01,670 --> 01:00:59,440 write uh jean chabot you'll 1626 01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:01,680 there's not many people on youtube with 1627 01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:03,280 that name so 1628 01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:05,599 that shouldn't be quite easy i have my 1629 01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:06,400 uh 1630 01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:13,520 so it's live dash between dash lives 1631 01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:16,160 dot ca this is my english 1632 01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:18,079 personal website and also there's a 1633 01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:20,240 website we're in french right now for 1634 01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:27,349 maybe it's going to be on the page where 1635 01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,720 i don't know i 1636 01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:30,799 anyway so there's these two websites 1637 01:01:33,750 --> 01:01:32,799 where uh if people want to connect with 1638 01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:33,760 me 1639 01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:37,440 through my uh it all can also be at uh 1640 01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:38,559 info 1641 01:01:42,630 --> 01:01:41,200 hypnose i n f o 1642 01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:42,640 h y p 1643 01:01:45,270 --> 01:01:44,400 n o s e 1644 01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:45,280 at 1645 01:01:50,309 --> 01:01:48,000 j c c h a b o t 1646 01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:50,319 dot com so that's my uh 1647 01:01:55,349 --> 01:01:52,559 my my my email address that i can be 1648 01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:55,359 reached at and uh if for some reason 1649 01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:57,280 comes i'm really busy i'm like it's kind 1650 01:02:01,990 --> 01:01:59,680 of months in advance to have a a an 1651 01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:02,000 appointment but at the institute i train 1652 01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,960 people and i i chosen a few people who 1653 01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:06,720 are really qualified so if people want 1654 01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:08,079 to start with a past life regression 1655 01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:09,839 with some of people i've trained it's 1656 01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:12,559 also possible well great it's it's 1657 01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:15,599 really great work and it's been terrific 1658 01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,920 covering the many topics that we did and 1659 01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:19,680 i really appreciate you coming on thanks 1660 01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:22,079 so much for joining me today on skeptico 1661 01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:24,319 thank you alex it was a pleasure thanks 1662 01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:26,319 again to jean charles chabot for joining 1663 01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:28,480 me today on skeptico a couple of 1664 01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:30,240 questions on my tee up from this 1665 01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:32,559 interview the first relates back to the 1666 01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:35,440 introduction i'd ask what does hypnotic 1667 01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:38,960 regression and hypnosis in general tell 1668 01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:41,119 us about consciousness 1669 01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:42,480 talked about that a little bit at the 1670 01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:45,200 beginning love to get your take on it 1671 01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,359 the second question is 1672 01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:49,920 do you think it's possible to access 1673 01:02:55,270 --> 01:02:52,960 memories of a time before you were born 1674 01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:55,280 this is after all the claim that's being 1675 01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,760 made by people who do past life between 1676 01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,280 life regressions 1677 01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:01,280 how do you sort out the evidence for 1678 01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:03,119 that how would we know how would we sort 1679 01:03:07,270 --> 01:03:05,280 through that question so of course the 1680 01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:07,280 place to answer those questions and 1681 01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:09,920 engage with other skeptico listeners is 1682 01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:12,400 either on the skeptico forum or in the 1683 01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:15,119 comments section of the skeptica website 1684 01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:17,119 you can reach both through the website 1685 01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:20,000 at s-k-e-p-t-i-k-o 1686 01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:22,640 dot com you'll also find their links to 1687 01:03:28,309 --> 01:03:25,359 over 200 previous shows a link where you 1688 01:03:31,109 --> 01:03:28,319 can subscribe for free on itunes to all 1689 01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:31,119 of our shows in an email and a facebook 1690 01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:32,880 link to me well that's going to do it 1691 01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,039 for this episode i have a number of 1692 01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:37,359 interesting shows piled up so please